Most girls already know about the 10-point scale, but for those who don't, here is a brief explanation:
Men are shallow assholes and routinely judge women based entirely on their external appearance. We use a 10-point scale to rank our perception of a woman's looks, and on occasion will use it to judge her personality as well. Rarely, the two will be combined on the same 10-point scale (see below).
The lower end of the scale is a 1, and represents the ugliest girl a man has ever seen. Usually this is a woman with a combination of physical deformity and obscene obesity, but it does vary slightly depending on a man's taste. In some instances, 0 actually represents the bottom of the scale. However, but because most men actually feel some slight compunction about ranking girls this ugly, the lower end of the scale is not used very frequently and is therefore less prone to scrutiny.
A five usually represents an average girl, which is as a girl that you would be on the fence about sleeping with if you were sober, ignored your ego and any other external factors like pregnancy or STDs.
The upper end of the scale is a 10, and represents the most beautiful woman a man has ever seen. This is usually some combination of supreme physical fitness, perfect facial structure, expensive lingerie or nakedness, professional lighting and air brushing. It has been suggested that 10s do not exist in nature, though this is debated. There is also a high degree of disagreement when it comes to ranking girls at the upper end of the scale; but because the scale is mostly used to rank personal opinion this controversy is widely tolerated.
The rankings between 0, 5 and 10 are interpolated based on the benchmarks described above.
The ranking system assumes that female attractiveness follows a Normal or Gaussian Distribution. Few have tried to dispute this, since to assume otherwise would dramatically complicate the scale, and it seems to be accurate enough for its typical applications.
Normally, the minimum precision used is a half-point (0.5), since the scale is largely used for initial impressions only and these often change anyway based on proximity, make-up, clothing, lighting, inebriation, and a variety of other factors. Though there is no explicit rule against using higher precision, men who attempt (for example) to rank a girl an 8.4 instead of rounding up to 8.5 are normally laughed at or told to shut the fuck up.
Though there are some shortcomings, men continue to use the scale for a number of reasons:
Example of a combined looks-personality scale:
"Who was that you were talking to?"
"Oh, just this girl that wanted to play volleyball with us. She was cool."
"Yeah, she was kinda cute too; she has a great ass, is she going to play with us?"
"I know man, it's weird, I'm not that into her looks-wise, but there was something about her that I liked."
"Haha, yeah her ass..."
"No, like, on the looks scale I'd give her a 6.5, maybe a 7, but she was really cool; I'd say her personality brings her up to an 8, maybe even an 8.5."
"Nice! I love girls like that. See if she'll come out with us tonight. Tell her to bring her friends."
"Haha yeah I am going to."
Men are shallow assholes and routinely judge women based entirely on their external appearance. We use a 10-point scale to rank our perception of a woman's looks, and on occasion will use it to judge her personality as well. Rarely, the two will be combined on the same 10-point scale (see below).
The lower end of the scale is a 1, and represents the ugliest girl a man has ever seen. Usually this is a woman with a combination of physical deformity and obscene obesity, but it does vary slightly depending on a man's taste. In some instances, 0 actually represents the bottom of the scale. However, but because most men actually feel some slight compunction about ranking girls this ugly, the lower end of the scale is not used very frequently and is therefore less prone to scrutiny.
A five usually represents an average girl, which is as a girl that you would be on the fence about sleeping with if you were sober, ignored your ego and any other external factors like pregnancy or STDs.
The upper end of the scale is a 10, and represents the most beautiful woman a man has ever seen. This is usually some combination of supreme physical fitness, perfect facial structure, expensive lingerie or nakedness, professional lighting and air brushing. It has been suggested that 10s do not exist in nature, though this is debated. There is also a high degree of disagreement when it comes to ranking girls at the upper end of the scale; but because the scale is mostly used to rank personal opinion this controversy is widely tolerated.
The rankings between 0, 5 and 10 are interpolated based on the benchmarks described above.
The ranking system assumes that female attractiveness follows a Normal or Gaussian Distribution. Few have tried to dispute this, since to assume otherwise would dramatically complicate the scale, and it seems to be accurate enough for its typical applications.
Normally, the minimum precision used is a half-point (0.5), since the scale is largely used for initial impressions only and these often change anyway based on proximity, make-up, clothing, lighting, inebriation, and a variety of other factors. Though there is no explicit rule against using higher precision, men who attempt (for example) to rank a girl an 8.4 instead of rounding up to 8.5 are normally laughed at or told to shut the fuck up.
Though there are some shortcomings, men continue to use the scale for a number of reasons:
- We are analytical by nature and it allows us to quantify and communicate our gut feelings.
- We would be mocked endlessly by our male friends if we used adjectives descriptive enough to convey our impression of a woman's appearance.
- Most men do not possess a vocabulary large enough to use words anyway.
- The use of words is highly prone to misinterpretation.
- Because most men have ten fingers, the scale can be used across language barriers.
- Girls hate it.
Example of a combined looks-personality scale:
"Who was that you were talking to?"
"Oh, just this girl that wanted to play volleyball with us. She was cool."
"Yeah, she was kinda cute too; she has a great ass, is she going to play with us?"
"I know man, it's weird, I'm not that into her looks-wise, but there was something about her that I liked."
"Haha, yeah her ass..."
"No, like, on the looks scale I'd give her a 6.5, maybe a 7, but she was really cool; I'd say her personality brings her up to an 8, maybe even an 8.5."
"Nice! I love girls like that. See if she'll come out with us tonight. Tell her to bring her friends."
"Haha yeah I am going to."
OMG, is there a polite way to say that I hate you... why am I still on this site, more importantly why will I return... The scale is still dumb... Girls use it too, in fact they do so a lot more then any will admit, just not out loud around men, clearly the scale is based on different things then a guy scale, but I will have you know it DOES exist!
ReplyDeleteYou knew it was a d*ck move before you posted it !
I thought it was nice of him to post it. Guys use it anyways, at least girls should know. Articles like this also help to establish better benchmarks for what equates to each marking.
Deleteit's not a dick move, those of us who want to compete need to know and rather than getting spoon fed bullshit about how a man will love me if I'm kind or have a good job, I want to know the truth, becomes sometimes it's about power, not love
DeleteThank you guy, for enlightening us in a way that actually helps
Deletei prefer the analogy from the movie "beautiful girls." in it they rate a women on a 10 point scale based on "face, body, personality."
ReplyDeletei like it. just calling a girl a "7" is just too vague for me.
when i rank a women it is initially only superficial. But the more i learn about her the rankings change. One way is that for every past sexual partner a woman has had, i deduct a 1/10th of a point. So for example, a female whose physical appearance is 7.5, but but has slept with 15 men would be a 6. My latest GF started as 7 until i found out she had slept with 30 different men. now i'd say she's about a 4.
ReplyDeletelol weird how common this 1/10 deduction is! but then again, I don't want STD either
DeleteThis is an articulate blog- But for heaven's sake, honestly, I don't care how many explanations I read about these scale systems - it's used by ignorant people. I had never heard of such hogwash until I came to North America. It's an insult to women and men all over the world. I may be a solid 9 but does that make me more desirable than my cousin, who is a doctor and is volunteering her time to help poor families in underdeveloped countries - but wait - has a slight bump on her nose and disheveled hair?
ReplyDeleteBe healthy, love yourself and your family, educate yourself, give back to people around you - and fuck everyone -- because it doesn't matter what they think.
It's an initial markin scale. "She's a 7", but you may fall in love with her after meeting her. The scale's more useful when just walking around somewhere. I'd usually average a 1-10 personality scale into the looks scale following acquiantance.
DeleteI'd redefine my personal scale's numbers as following.
1-Fugly
2-At least you can marry other 2s
3-Bad
4-Plain, with no unique qualities
5-Average, or a 3.5-4 with a "saving grace"
6-Dateable, or "pretty"
7-Borderline Hot, good features, etc
8- Bombshell, a 7 with unique features (a few of the features in the 9 description)
9- Must have at least 4 of the following: a great face, boobs, ass, personality, body.
10- Perfect, debateably nonexistent. I've met 9.5s, but not 10s
is the body an important factor? i used to think face was a more important determinant of attractiveness but the way i hear men talk about women's bodies i wonder if having a hot body is more important than once initially though.
DeleteDepends on the guy, as long as girls arent overweight that's all that matters to me
Delete"does that make me more desirable"
DeleteYes.
If you really believed your own bullshit you wouldn't have qualified your whole statement with "I'm a solid 9 BUT...".
DeleteAnd yes, being a 9 does make you more attractive than your cousin(assuming you are actually a 9 which is highly unlikely).
"I may be a solid 9 but does that make me more desirable than my cousin, who is a doctor and is volunteering her time to help poor families in underdeveloped countries - but wait - has a slight bump on her nose and disheveled hair? "
DeleteYes. It does.
"I may be a solid 9 but does that make me more desirable than my cousin, who is a doctor and is volunteering her time to help poor families in underdeveloped countries - but wait - has a slight bump on her nose and disheveled hair?"
ReplyDeleteWhile I generally agree with the sentiment of your comment, the unfortunate but resounding answer to your question is: yes, it does mean that you are more desirable - and significantly so.
This is simply a fact about how men think, and any honest man (or observant woman) will agree with it. The flip side of this seeming unfairness is that women have a large degree of control over their appearance. Any woman that puts in a serious effort should be able to make herself externally attractive.
I have a question regarding attractiveness. A lot of women say you should not compete with other women, but with attractiveness and initial contact, there will always be that competition which is based on looks, IMO.
ReplyDeleteIn your chart on female attractiveness, female breast size & shape is given fairly little importance (compared to the other features, I assumed it was higher, after all breasts get more attention in the media than anything else). I'm a 34B, so it's not like I'm flat, but they're small. I'm quite slim, a US size 4, I've got a small waist and round bum, so it's not like I'm without curves. I still feel like I'm losing out in the company of someone with bigger breasts, like my sister who's about a D. Facially, I think we are about equal in attractiveness - slightly different features, but we get an equal amount of attention. If I'm alone or with another friend than her, I get a lot/most of the attention from men. I'd say I'm about an 8/8.5, potential to be a 9 when I'm in great shape and have made that extra effort. I take very good care of myself, hair, makeup etc. I'm in an environment where most girls I know do. I have certain physical attributes my sister doesn't - I have thick and long hair, hers is short and thin, and I have long legs. Still, the boob thing seems major. I had a comment once from a guy when I was wearing a bathing suit, saying I had small boobs, which obviously have stuck with me.
My question is, can I improve to the extent that I can compete with a girl with bigger boobs? Of course women who are chubbier than me or less facially attractive will not be competition, but what about a girl that is actually pretty with big boobs? It is rare that someone has it all, but it often feel that my hair, legs and even face sometimes come of less importance if there are big boobs present.
I think maybe I can play up my other assets more, show off my legs and wear my hair down. But I already watch my figure, bleach my teeth, spend time and effort on makeup that I am running out of ideas on how to increase my attractiveness. I'm planning to work out more and i might even plump up my lips a little. It sounds as if I am obsessed with physical appearance, but as you have touched upon yourself, it is very important to men. The boob thing between my sis and I might be more in my head than men's, but I'm afraid I am competitive and I'm also afraid that my breasts will only be "halfway there" :-(
Based on your description, you seem like a solid 8, which is tough to do. Congrats.
DeleteIt'll be tough for you to break into 9 without significant boobage though. I'd suggest working out your pectorals, you can probably go up a cup size, and it'll improve the shape as well. Depending on if you're short enough to make smallish boobs look large, you could break 8.5 .
Contrary to the last reply I can't recommend working your pecs to increase booby size (lol). Case in point: Female body-builder er boob-type-thingys.
DeleteOn a more relevant note, I think you're totally overestimating the size of boobs with regards to attention and attractiveness. To put it simply, guys like boobs not because such said boobs are big but because they are nice. I'll definitely prefer a girl with pretty lookin B cup boobies over a girl with DD's that sag, have really big nipples, or lack symmetry, nicely rounded shape etc. Granted that's my opinion, but its not out there by any means.
Overall you seem pretty slammin based on your description, and I recommend not getting too crazy with worrying about upping your attractiveness. Chances are you are already getting lots of attention, and to start with unnatural alterations can actually impact your appeal for the worse. I'm definitely of the opinion that some perky homegrown B's are better than some inflated D's given to you by some random old dude doctor. The same goes for all the other procedures girls put up with.
I'd say to compete with bigger boober girls, wicked hot slightly less curvy girls ought to dress well fo sho, but mostly I'd say it comes down to posture and how you hold yourself. For instance some serious heels definitely bring out a sense of curvature, and if you strut around in them you'll catch guys' attention without even sending a semblance of a look their way.
Anon Sept 27th: I wrote that comment in February, and I got a boob job since then. I was sick of the constant media attention around girls with fortunate proportions going on about what "real" women should look like (hourglass). Since a small chest made me a "fake" woman anyway, I figured I'd might as well get the fake boobs to go with.
DeleteThey look and feel very natural, I'm between C/D now. I definitely feel like they give me that 'extra push' up a league, although I wouldn't call them 'big boobs' - they look big in a padded push up, otherwise just average size.
I'm actually really happy with the decision. I've spent extra time on my hair and clothing the past few months, so I cannot say if all the extra attention is due to breasts alone. But I see now that they definitely matter.
"My question is, can I improve to the extent that I can compete with a girl with bigger boobs?"
ReplyDeleteYes, Definitely. There is no question in my mind that you are placing too much importance on them. I rated them at 2 % importance. Granted, with all else being equal, better boobs will "win" - but the advantage is magnified by contrast when you two are standing side by side, and it sounds like it isn't QUITE equal since you have better hair.
Spending time and effort on makeup doesn't mean you are spending that time correctly, or making yourself look your best. Try hiring a personal stylist to help you optimize your look (choose one that has the same complexion as you).
In general though you are definitely placing too much importance on looks. They matter, yes. They matter a lot. But whether you are an 8.5 or a 9 is not hugely important. Whether you are an 8.50 or an 8.52 is simply not worth worrying about.
I think I do fairly well with clothing, I do spend a lot of time on it and often hear from men that I look elegant etc. And I have been featured at blogs and lookbook.nu, which I believe you mentioned. I could perhaps play up my assets more as I often look a bit more conservative than most girls my age, particularly for evening wear. But I think opinions are a bit split among men regarding how provocatively women are dressed. I think you've said that a woman can be dressed in revealing clothes but that it's her attitude that matters (not a slutty attitude). But a lot of creeps are more likely to approach girls in mini skirts and a lot of guys have the attitude that "don't show it if it's not for sale". If your boobs are out, you're looking for attention on your boobs. Maybe more than your face, and even personality. Not all guys, but I kow a bit who feels that way.
DeleteAbout the 10-scale: I agree that some guys seem to have too high standards to what is a 10. But since the scale is meant to rate WOMEN and not PICTURES, a woman has to be 10 all over. It is given that a supermodel won't look as good in real life as in a photo, but many of them still look pretty damn good. I still think a lot of guys rate women 10 from what they have potential to be, not what they are. Adriana Lima, as mentioned on here, can be a 10 in a photo, but IMO would be far from it in real life. And as you say, men have different preferences, nobody will be a 10 to everybody. But even if she's not for you, you could recognize that she's in that end? If a guy tells you he thinks VS model Rosie Huntington-Whiteley is a 10, you might rate her more a 9, but perhaps you'll think that you can definitely see why another would rate her a 10?
"a lot of guys have the attitude that 'don't show it if it's not for sale'"
DeleteI've met very few men who think this way, though I have met some that claim to. Their actions, however, say otherwise. Some men get worried about giving a bad impression, sounding like they are players, man-whores, etc. so they will talk down on girls that dress sexy.
"I still think a lot of guys rate women 10 from what they have potential to be, not what they are."
This is very true. But it is also why I encourage girls to fulfil their potential for beauty.
"If a guy tells you he thinks VS model Rosie Huntington-Whiteley is a 10, you might rate her more a 9, but perhaps you'll think that you can definitely see why another would rate her a 10?"
No, there are definite cases in which other men tell me "she is a 10" and I honestly think she is a 7 or an 8. And there have been times when my friends have said "WOW, look at HER" (which means more or less a 9 or 10) and I have thought... "eh... she is about an 8 to me." And it has been a sincere judgement. I really don't - or even can't - agree with them. I mean, I know that is their TYPE, so by analogy to my own preferences I understand that they like her more than other girls, but I can't sympathize.
Which celebrities do you consider to be a 9 or 10 then?
DeleteCan a man (over a lifetime) find two women a "10" even if they don't look similar?
ReplyDeleteI know this may reek of insecurity but here goes...
I know a guy I'm seeing wrote to a girl on facebook that "you have to be the most beautiful girl I've ever seen". She was a random girl who added him, they've never met or dated and nothing happened (please ignore how I know this). This was a few months before he met me for the first time. So he's only seen her picture.
Thing is, I wonder if he may feel this for me. I would say I'm 'conventionally' attractive, people have rated me 8.5/9 and I've modeled underwear. He's said I'm "so beautiful", but I can't help but feel insecure from knowing he wrote that to the other girl (he doesn't know I know).
She has some similarities to me, like being quite slim and very long hair, otherwise her face is quite different. I have quite 'soft' features and she's more androgynous.
This probably sounds like a hyper vanity thing, but I know men have different preferences, but since I already take well care of myself and all and I know he likes my 'look'.
Ok, so is it possible "most beautiful girl I've seen" is a statement I shouldn't get hung up on? Is it possible he wrote that just to try and get with her? I have had previous boyfriends say first time we met that "you're the most beautiful woman I've seen". I'm not doubting his interest, but I am really hoping he finds my appearance ideal!
That is a really good question, and the answer is a resounding "yes." Men can very easily see two girls that look very different and be stunned by the beauty of them both.
DeleteWhile this guy might still just be trying to get into your pants, it is perfectly possible that he is being 100% honest.
Another thing - this isn't the kind of thing that can only happen twice in a lifetime. I would estimate that several times a year I see women who are so beautiful (to me) that I couldn't possibly compare them to each other. They are all "perfect 10s"
DeleteOf course, the flip side of that, is that I am undoubteldly seeing them at their best, and only briefly (in passing on the street or in a club, for example). I am sure that if I saw them another time, they could be a 6 or 7 our of ten, or somewhere in between. This is because female beauty changes a lot depending on effort and circumstance.
I got told recently by someone that I'm a 5.5/10. I do everything I can to try and look pretty, I have no facial deformities, I am a good weight, I wear make up...so I have no idea where I am going wrong. Are some men just harsh critics?
ReplyDeleteThere is a hell of a lot more to looking good than being in shape (though that is a really big one) and wearing makeup. In fact, I have posts about both of those things on here that will tell you more about each. I also have posts about a lot of the things you are missing. Check them out here: List of All Posts
DeleteAlso, this is important: All Men Have Different Taste
DeleteGirl here, and I find the 10 point scale is extremely biased.
ReplyDeleteAfter thorough discussion with some male friends, I'd say that most girls would end up somewhere on the 6-7 range, regardless of their objective physical attractiveness. Most guys find it difficult to rate a girl a perfect or near perfect 9-10, and calling a girl a "5" is a tad brutal - it means they don't stand out from the crowd at all. Thus, most average girls actually end up somewhere on the 6-7 range. These are "cute" girls that a guy wouldn't approach on first glance, but are not that bad either. More likely than not, probably half are closer to an objective 5 or lower.
Interestingly, most girls would probably rate themselves around a 6 or 7 as well. We neither like to think of ourselves as super hot (unless we're extremely confident and know it) nor mediocre/ugly. The 6-7 range is "average-cute" - just attractive enough to get somebody's attention and allow your personality to shine.
Can you elaborate more about what
ReplyDelete5.5
6
7.5
8
9.5
MEAN?
For me, as a girl, when I rate men the 10 point scale means
below 5- does not arouse me sexually whatsoever.
6: could resort to as casual sex buddies for times of need. OR if you got to know them well enough and they had attractive personalities, they have the potential to become actually sexually attracticve
6.5: slight improvement from 6
7: cute. would give him my number and go on date if no options were presently available, but probably would be end of the list if more options were there
7.5: pretty cute. Not enough to really have a very strong instant attraction but if seen on a regular basis, would most likely lead to greater attraction.
8: squarely attractive: seen at a bar, i would strategically move closer to you so you would talk to me. Yes, you're very close to my ideal type
8.5: legitimately hot. I'm very much attracted and most likely want to grab your tight manly butt in those pants. lets have sex and go straight into a full blown relationship.
9: extremely hot: probably as hot as it gets unless you live in NYC or hollywood. Must muster all my feminine guiles in order to entrap you and make you mine. Getting you= my mission
9.5: most actors and models that you probably don't see in real life if you live outside NYC or Hollywood
10: Gods of sexual attraction. So far, only include Keanu Reeves, Gosh Hartnett, (late) Heath Ledger. Yes, I will be your sex slave. Where is the application?
What does it mean when a guy tells a girl he thinks she is cool? Is it another way of saying 'nice personality, but lacking a little in the looks department'?
ReplyDeleteIt could mean a lot of things really. I would have to judge it in context to really know, but you can usually interpret it as non-sexual interest. Not always though.
DeleteTo me it sounds like he thinks that you have a cool personality, that you can hold your own, someone who's got it together. I've been told this by a boyfriend and also male friends (friends of my bf).
ReplyDeleteSo doesn't have to be sexual.
Andrew,
ReplyDeleteTo women the scale seems arbitrary and hard to interpret. Can you come up with functional scale that's easier for individual women to figure out where they themselves belong? For example: (A) Turns heads of men 20 years older, turns heads of men 10 years older, turns heads of men in own age group, turns heads of men younger. (B) Men 20 yrs older/10 yrs older/age group/younger approach to hit on her. I wouldn't consider myself a 9 or 10, but I've been told by various men (young and older) that I'm 'pretty' or 'beautiful' or 'look like a model' (which, honestly, takes me by surprise - dunno, maybe my perception of myself is distorted), have a great body, dress extremely well, am intelligent (have a Ph.D.) but am not competitive with men in conversation and prefer a softer mode. All of the categories in A and B happen to me fairly regularly, and I'm 46 .... but I'm not sure where I rank on the numerical scale (surely I'm not as attractive as a pretty 20 year old college student) so not sure what my 'league' is. I know what type of man I want so most initial approaches I'll reject .... I guess that means my league is computed by who approaches me + (since I'm highly selective) who I accept?
wow, the right attitude can get any men.... being the shallow creatures they are lol
ReplyDeleteAt my best i am around a 7/10 (which is not as often as i would like). I present myself as best as i can day to day but im mostly around the 5/10 mark. My question : should i aim for a guy who is also a 5 (of which i am most of the time) or a 7? thanks!
ReplyDelete"should i aim for a guy who is also a 5 (of which i am most of the time) or a 7?"
DeleteIt depends on what your goal is. If you want casual sex with a hot guy aim for at least a 7. However, if you want a relationship aim for a 5, or a 4 to increase your chances of longevity.
What is your goal in dating?
cool, thanks. My goal is to have a relationship. I believe even many of the 5s think they're too good for me also (i recall Andrew's previous post on projection).
Delete@Thomas - that's some interesting math that ends up with men getting the better deal lol. It's clever and more efficient.
DeleteI think what was missing from Thomas' reply was "aim for a 4 or 5 that you respect/admire and value as a 9 or 10 in non-physical ways." That would be my reply also, though I would add: "Make some improvements so that your typical number is a 6, not just a 5, and then look for a guy who is a 5 or 6 that you respect, etc."
DeleteThanks everyone.The only thing left really for me to improve on is facial structure lol, I've been told by a range of men i have a good figure.
DeleteWas also wondering if guys adjust their rating according to environment and to what extent? i.e. to scale up or down. Particularly in my city it seems like the majority of the women are 8 and above (according to the desirable traits you described in another post) i may just have to move haha
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DeleteAnon, an ugly face is probably the most difficult thing to overcome, ever. *EVER* You can have the body of a hot woman like Katy Perry, but an ugly face will scare the bravest of men away. You can be a nobel peace prize winner, and be the wealthiest woman on earth, but if you are not pleasant to look at in the face, a man might be brave and try but he's not going to stick around long. Dating coworkers who are interested is a great idea. Try church if you are religious. Advantages include they know you well and the guys' intentions aren't going to be insincere as someone you would meet online or if you try dating in social circles. If you go out in the real dating world you would have to date maybe 2-4 points lower than you are. I say up to 4 points because women tend to think higher of themselves than they are (most of the time anyway), so by doing it 4 points lower you might realistically be at 2 points. Go with 2-4 points lower, so look for guys in the 3 range. If you do online dating, they will eventually see your face, but maybe that is a good way to attract interested parties. You are in for an uphill battle. Also remember that men usually have *options* so if a guy like a coworker is around you often and *still* complements your body he might be willing to take the risk, *do not delay* Not trying to be mean this is how it works. Good luck. (Corrected my earlier statement on your matter.)
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Delete@Emily
Delete“that's some interesting math that ends up with men getting the better deal lol. It's clever and more efficient”.
Lol. I suppose as hard as I try to be objective, there’s probably some instinct at the back of my mind somewhere driving me/men to get the better deal, thence women get the raw deal :)
But if Anon female is “mostly around the 5/10 mark” and her goal is to be in a relationship, do you reckon her odds are better with a guy who’s a 7 or a 4? What would you recommend?
Andrew’s reply was more comprehensive. When looking for a relationship one’s “number” is only one of many criteria to consider. Also as he says, if she is a 7 at her best then being a 6 day to day is achievable.
@ Anon female
”Was also wondering if guys adjust their rating according to environment and to what extent? i.e. to scale up or down.”
Yes I have also observed this phenomenon: one’s number is simply a function of one’s options. Thus, where the gender ratio favors women (college campuses/large cities etc.) men have will have the upper-hand, thus an artificially inflated number.
And where the gender ratio favors men (small towns/rural areas etc.) women will have the upper-hand. So moving to a different area to improve your odds (number) isn't a bad idea.
Luckily, I live in a city in which men are greatly outnumbered by women :)
Hey Thomas, I wondered about that too--having better success with realistic (4) versus unrealistic options (7). I think you're right. And the location definitely determines the score. I live in a place where women outnumber men, and guys who may be considered a 5 get 9 status lol.
DeleteI like Andrew's spin, and agree w that combination of attraction and respect. Sometimes it's easy to lose sight of all important elements, and this is a necessary reminder.
@Anon, Andrew did a post on dating in certain cities a while back. Look it up. Your chances might be better in Montana or North Dakota if you're looking to move.
I also meant in terms of combined physical traits/confidence/personality. I instinctively filter out men who are 6+ physically anyway, i don't even bother trying with them and they don't approach me. The main thing i believe is regardless of what 'number' the guy actually is, the only thing that matters is what HE thinks of himself and i think due to the higher ratio of attractive women to men, the average guy here is suddenly hot commodity. @EmilyL not on the same continent ;)
Deletewhy can't there be a guy who can just 'take one for the team' and love an ugly girl. Anyone. lol
DeleteMeh. I hate the rating system.... I'm a pale redhead with a face that is more cute than sexy. I'm pretty sure I'm about a 4 on the scale. Basically, I get minimal attention from strangers based on my looks alone, but I tend to attract the interest of co-workers who've gotten to like my personality and think I'm worth a shot because I'm slim, or drunk guys looking to get laid on a Friday night. A friend I had a crush on actually told me he wasn't attracted to me which really sucked, so I've come to believe I am more or less below average but still get occasional attention because of my personality.
ReplyDeleteYou kind of sound like me. I don't think being a pale redhead makes you unsexy or below average, plus i know there are men out there who go nuts for redheads. How are you presenting yourself? I have a few friends with similar colouring and their alabaster skin looks great with really bright hues. Plus there are plenty of red heads you can use as a source of style inspiration (Christina hendricks, nicole kidman, evan rachel wood, emma stone, Isla fisher, amy adams just to name a few) you're slim which gives you an advantage over most women.
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